Sunday, 20 September 2009

States must also provide justice and equality

States must also provide justice and equality
Dr Shabir Choudhry 17 September 2009

While speaking to a seminar organised in Palais Des Nations in Geneva by International Institute for Peace, Dr Shabir Choudhry said:

Whereas I agree violence and terrorism is evil and must be opposed and condemned, but we also need to look at reasons why people resort to violence. Sometimes when people have exhausted all peaceful and political means to achieve their legitimate rights then some feel violence is the only way to get their voice heard.

I am not condoning or supporting terrorism as that leads to misery, loss of human life and destruction; and very often leads to more violence. Conflicts and disputes should be resolved through a process of dialogue, but when all avenues of peaceful means are closed to them; and people are unfairly treated and pushed against wall, it is expected that some will lose patience and resort to violence.

Violence and terrorism is bad, whether it is individual terrorism, group terrorism or state terrorism; but people will say state terrorism is worst as it is generally the main cause of grievances and has capacity to cause more destruction under the cover of law and order and fighting terrorism. Then situation comes when a man killing people and destroying homes and villages from safety of his jet fighter or helicopter gun ship is called a brave soldier; and person who is defending his basic human rights, his family and his home is labelled as a terrorist.

Every human society has problems and it is not possible to resolve problems of society with use of gun; and this message needs to be understood by the states and groups who have grievances and want to resolve political matters with use of violence. Violence should not be used to advance a political agenda by groups; and governments and their agencies should not deny people of their fundamental rights.

Using his right of reply Dr Shabir Choudhry said, I have lived in England for past 43 years and I have not seen any mosque used as a base to commit terrorism. It is totally wrong assumption. Mosques are places of worship and peace. They are used for praying, teaching religion and spreading peace and harmony not hatred and violence. It is however possible that a terrorist could be using that mosque for praying, but it must not be construed that the mosques has any role in terrorism or its promotion.

He further said I have not condoned terrorism, if anything I have been campaigning against terrorism for many years. Some people say it is wrong to kill civilians but it is appropriate to target army personnel to advance legitimate rights, as they represent a state against which people have grievances.

I do not even support violence against what are called ‘legitimate targets’ like army men and police men, as they also have families, children and parents. Terrorism must not be condoned under any context, but at the same time states must also adopt reasonable and acceptable attitude and treat all citizens equally. They must provide justice and protect fundamental rights of all citizens. When states or some of their organs become a source of inequality, injustice and oppression, people resort to terrorism.

We people of Jammu and Kashmir fought for our right of self determination by using peaceful methods and after 40 long years of peaceful struggle some of them got frustrated and resorted to violence. I know what destruction and misery this policy of using violence to advance the Kashmiri cause has brought to my countrymen. Despite loss of tens of thousands lives, destruction and misery our goal of independence is not in sight yet – we are not any nearer to our destination; if anything we are more divided and further from our goal of independence.

Those powers which are fighting terrorism by using jet fighters and justify it under collateral damage really need to rethink of their strategy as they are creating more people ready to take them on. We have seen the trauma of old men, women and children who were uprooted from their homes in millions in name of fighting terrorists and Talibans in Pakistan. The way their homes were destroyed and the way they were humiliated it will surely lead to more violence and more people will be ready to take up the cause of fighting the oppressors; or take revenge for loss of their love ones. End

Dr. Shabir Choudhry, Director Institute Kashmir Affairs
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Ruhel Chisty MRACI CChem A said...

On date 07-05-2009 ,I given my Vote to congress Party =Dr Manmohan Singh ,Sonia Gandhi Party , its was for Member of Parliament ,for congress party government at Central level =New Delhi level ,so that they can control whole India , =MP at Udaipur ,I am giving my All votes to congress party ,from past 1983 to till now =2009 !
My Voter ID was =694, ward Number=24, part =83, Name =Ruhel , Vote ID Number =RJ/18/143/238028
Made on date 01-01-1995 , Ruhel Chisty MRACI CChem A date 07-05-2009 Udaipur raj india

I want to put here the Transparency international Data about this poor ,Huge population ,world top corrupt nation =India !!
(1) Bribe payer index 2008 : it tell india score is 6.8 ,Russia is 5.9 Means in these nation , you have to pay bribe ,money for any work !! while Canada , UK , Japan ,USA they have 8.8 , 8.6 , 8.6 , 8.1 these nation people do not like bribe for any work !! they dislike , think like crime to asked for bribe !!??
(2) in 2008 rank for honesty , UK Name is at top 10 Honest nation , USA Top 18 , Singapore top 2 , UAE =United Arab Emirates top 35 rank , from this nation =Dubai I did my publication against al-Quida , Taliban which selected at Canada = Ruhel Sensor , ,
it was against , Weapon of mass destruction ,Canada also is top in honesty ,
and this nation =Dubai government officials nominate me for Dubai International award 2004,2005,2006 =which is , UN Award = , award . they given my name at 126 Nominee at UN Nation web , this is called honest ,for my work to protect world environmental + global warming , Kuwait ,Qatar , Oman , Saudi Arabia also have good honest there rank given by Transparency international ,is 40 , 45 , 55 ,80 , they are also best then this Hindu ,poor nation =India !!
My second publication against Al –Quida ,Taliban was from Saudi Arabia in 2008 , Ruhel New anti -chemical terror sensor 2008 , ,UK ,Against Chemical terror it selected at UK ,that is also top in honesty ,
Now see the RAW =Hindu terrorist talent , it =Human dogs hide all data of ME =Gulf countries concern Honesty , b’se this Hindu think that Ruhel Chisty MRACI CChem A will able to put many more thing +will be able to learn many points , way of work +it fear that ME =Gulf Muslims religion people will got rise over Indian =Hindu ,poor ,huge population !! not only this Hindu =RAW , Hide all data about Indian police ,Army , Civil servants ,Politician corruption data in INDIA at Transparency international web !!?? while I know that TI = Transparency international given Indian police top corrupt organization , then Indian politician are second top corrupt ,then Indian Army officials s ,then Indian civil servants !!?,, these data are of 2008 Report of Transparency international , its same in 2007 ,2006,2005 !! always Indian police top corrupt organization !!??RAW =controller is Dr Manmohan Singh , but see One poor Hindu nation =Whose prime minister is Dr Manmohan Singh , this nation is do not have single scientist ,journalist who wrote about Al-Quida ,Taliban like international level and publication against them
!!?? this poor Hindu , using RAW =Hindu terrorist organization from past 1999 to till now to kept me forced unemployed !!?? Ruhel Chisty MRACI CChem A Date 20-09-2009 Udaipur Raj india ,

Ruhel Chisty MRACI CChem A said...

I want to mention that once in will get USA ,Canada ,EU Citizenship +work there I will put my all money in Christen banks + will get interest of my saving money till I have money , bse from past 2009 Jan to till now 20 Sept 2009 , I am getting threat from Indian =Hindu +Muslims , that you are getting interest of your saving gin india only !!?? other nations =USA ,EU ++ UN =world bank are not providing !!??

While till now =past 64 years , Indian Military ,Indian police did not kill , encountered any Hindu Terrorist =RSS ,VHP ,Bajrang Dal person in India, while NATO ,USA Army forced ,Drawn , Satellites ,Pakistan Military ,Pakistan Police ,are killing all found terrorist, in Wergistan ,Afghanistan ,Pakistan , !!!?? while In India Hindu terrorist are chief ministers ,Nominated for Prime Minister , MP =Member of parliament ,Home minister , for get IB, RAW ,,Indian military , Indian police forget these !!?? Ruhel Chisty date 05-04-2009
Pl, Delhi / UP- Police ,have few -video Records ,as proof at Supreme court of india against Lal Krishan Advaani (Former home minister of India =Hindu nation ,from 1995 to 2003 ) ,Uma Bharti , Vinayak Katariya ! ,who was provoking to Riots ,Murder ! to huge population in 1989 to 1992 !& which did action & that month ~2,000 riots ,kill ,murder taken place ! But with in few years ,all these Video- proof s ! thieves from Supreme court ! Sir this news was came in -Leading news paper of india , so Lal Krishan Advaani became Vice Prime minister of india ! Ruhel Chisty ! A fact of Indian laws and order +its way of common - life ! its reality of Hindu nation =India honesty at all level ,it also tell that How much Indian +hindu are corrupt , how the common accept these all for religion rise !!??
Ruhel Chisty MRACI CChem A Date 28-09-2009 Udaipur raj India Time 17:40 PM

Please, UNESCO Report 2007 “Corrupt Universities ,corrupt schools what can be done ??
By Jacques Hallack and Mariel Poisson =ISBN 10-92-803-1296-0 given by IIEP ,UNESCO Branch, here they compare , Indian universities ,schools with Uganda , they given Uganda second top corrupt nation ,while India name was top one =First position in corruption !! here they taken all records of Indian news channels ,All states news papers , in this report they consider IITs, IIMs ,IAS, Universities exams , Medical exams , AIIMS exams !! schools exams ,by taking there paper leaks , cheating , ++ all , then they published this report from UN ,Portal !!?? Ruhel Date 15-09-2009

Ruhel Chisty MRACI CChem A said...

While the reality of Indian economic tycoon companies =IT Companies =Indian Tech industries =6 companies like Satayam ,Wipro +megasoft consultant + is proved fraud by World bank it self =blacklisted by World bank !! these people were doing fraud with UN =World bank ,from past many years ,concern there share fake high values .=to rise company reputation ,at UN ,EU,USA level !!??
with use of providing money $=Doll oars =corruption , to audits agencies at four level=Internal audits ,external audits , then independent audits , then Government advisers based audits !!?? it included the Ministry of Finance India and its advisers , awards winners team from India !! those have like this work to do from India from past 63 years !!?? and are used to do like this only !!?? just by corruption , ?? world bank ban these mention companies =wipro ,Satayam ++= for 4 Years ,not to do business with World bank !!?? world bank say that Wipro technologies unit =Wipro limited ,they were providing improper benefits +goods +services , to bank employee to win the contracts from world bank +other international organizations on behalf of world bank , including to stock offered to world bank employees , like World bank information officer =Mr M Muhsin , its was told in press conference by Joshusa Hochberg =Attorney ,Mr Mushin left world bank in 2005 !!?? same way megasoft consultant =unit of megasoft Ltd was also banned due to , bribe = improper benefits =money $ providing to world bank employee ,so world bank blacklisted them all =as its part of Indian every day life !!!??
Satayam was india 4rd largest company ,Wipro is 3rd largest company of india=Hindus nation !! wipro owner is Indian Muslim =Azim Premji ,whose named was used by Foreign minister of india to impress Bush Jr =Poor brain that india have Muslims like =Azim Premji , Ameer Khan , Sharuk Khan , Dr Kalam =Physicist ,neuro scientist ,Missile man ,father of Nuke =WMD india = father of hindu Nuke bomb =father of Hindu nuke missile =secular !!!?? ,to rise Secular India at world map after 9/11-2001 !! as to prove that keep world Muslims like we are keeping Indian Muslims , those have few like these also from 149 millions Indian Muslim populations !!?? few means 10 =ten or 10,000 !!?? only !!???= Victims still suffering from Justice ,Assam ,Kashmir 30 years Orissa 2008 Christen Genocide ,Looting ,rape gang rape ,Live burn , Karnataka 2008 Christen genocide , Chatisgarh 2007-2008 Christen genocide .Gujarat 2002 Genocide after 1 years to 7 years pass out !? While BJP=RSS Given MP =Member of parliament ticket to , Manoj Pradhan =Prime accused of 2008 Kandhmal anti christen riots those killed 60 Indian christen ,from G Udayagiri assembly ,India , he win the election also ,Now he is MP =member of parliament in India !!?? while in this Hindus nation ,Victims of genocide are still suffering from Justice =Their basic human rights , from past 1 year to 7 years !?as they are Not Hindu ,they are Indian Christen ,Indian Muslims !? It look like that Hindu Taliban leaders are getting security from Ruling government of this Hindu nation India !?

!!?? (Some part of it I taken from Wall street Journal ) Ruhel Chisty MRACI CChem A date 26-09-2009 Udaipur raj india ,313001 ,

Ruhel Chisty MRACI CChem A said...

I like to suggest Pakistan Government that they must fill the NTP ,CTBT , to support Respected Barack Obama call at UNGA meeting 2009 24th-25th September , they should not look at secular =Hindu =india=Huge population democracy with poor quality !! Sign with one clause that if india try to attack on Pakistan then in that case Pakistan can use Nuke power to threat or to balance ,with enemy = Secular =Hindu=India !!?? this Sign at NTP ,CTBT will give rise to Pakistan at UNGA ,UNSC in compare to huge population Hindus nation = poor ,poverty rich !!?? having Kalam ,SK ,AK, Dr Awgani , ++ like … Indian Muslims , I know the history of UK ,USA ,France ,China , Russia ,and Germany , they were power in old Era were never work under any nation !! But they all filled CTBT ,NTP , while Pakistan is small population with 60 Millions cars with Pakistani Muslims while india =secular hindu nation have 10 lacks cars with Indian Muslims !!?? have very less Business , property ,Government jobs with Indian Muslims !!?/ have very less =0.2% Scientific jobs with Indian Muslims while in Pakistan 90% Jobs are with Pakistani Muslims , they have Mr. Jahauhuck and Prevez Mussarf those were migrated from india as president top Army power !!?they have 90% Scientist ,90% engineers ,90% Doctors , 90% Top Business , 90% Top Jobs are with Pakistani Muslims only !! while in This secular Hindu nation =india ,secular Indian Muslims have only 0.2% scientific jobs ,0.3% engineers ,0.15% Doctors , and 0.3% Business are with secular Indian Muslim only !!?? these all are those who like to stay in india =Jawaharlal Nehru , Gandhi , Atal ,Modi , LK Advanni=Migrated Hindu from Pakistan !!??
Ruhel Chisty MRACI CChem A Date 30-09-2009 Udaipur Raj india 313001

Ruhel Sensor said...

India is telling to China , about one China River =Its China name is (………) and in India its called Bhramputra ,
That they=China government not to make dam = to make electricity and to supply water to its china , farmers
I think this case is same as India made by forced two dams on Chenab a river which is flowing to Pakistan from India , and due to this many small lake and many farms of Pakistan became water less !!?? even there are cases of draft =no water in land =number of miles no water !!?? it made by India by use of India army !!?? it mainly done after 1999, 2007,2008 !!?? to trouble Pakistan people !!?? its when Pakistan government given many warning to Indian government , even they took case in UN ,UNGA ,UNSC and !!?? even then India made two dams , after warning from Pakistan , as India, 1.19 billions Hindu voters nation think it self every powerful , having 60 lacks blood mouths Indian army Hindu !!?? and JIC,IB,RAW,NIA ,MI CID CBI made blood army dogs !!?? that why Indian do not bother about Pakistan government and Pakistan famers warnings ,
But now in this case = Bhramputra , things is different China is very powerful then India and China is good friend of USA from cold war it self !!?? they can given any reply to India at any level , even to its blood mouths Indian army Hindu !!+ JIC,IB,RAW,NIA ,MI CID CBI made blood army dogs with ISRO Satellite technology !!??
I=Ruhel Chisty MRACI Cchem A justify , China government to make dam on China River = Bhramputra , I , will like that China must made two dams and run them with any problem of any UN also !!??
Ruhel date 14-06-2011 ,
Please I have Two publications Against Weapon of mass destruction =WMD .= against Al-Qaida , few against Hindutava terror !!? ( Note I did these publication s from ME=-Gulf named Honest nation ,Good people nation ,not from India !!??,No way !!??)
Pl I am one of the reviewer in J . Schizophrenia Research ( www. from May 2007 , I am reviewer in Journal of Law and Conflict Resolution ,ISSN 2006-9804